The Crowing/Favor House Atlantic/The Light And The Glass...Time Switch?

[joeythemagic]

Okay, you know at the end of the A Favor House Atlantic, theres like that reversal sound? I thinks that it could be the interlude between Three Evils and Crowing in reverse. If anyones got an audio editor like Audacity, could they check this out? If it is, this could mean that The Light And The Glass could take place between Three Evils and Crowing. Hmmmm....

[Minnoq]

Yeah, you're right, it is the twangy pianoy noise from Three Evils in reverse, minus the rain and heavy breathing. Has anyone realised this before? First i've heard of it

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Umm...if you reverse it, it's basically a fade-in of a guitar playing a power chord, plus the piano.

[joeythemagic]

So its the three evils thing :)

[BillyxRansom]

it's the thing just before the crowing, yes. but i would like an explanation on your interpretation of the time frame you proposed story wise...

[joeythemagic]

Hmmm okay. Well its at the of Favor House and between Three Evils and Crowing, then it obviously means either:
Favor House Atlantic happens before Crowing, which i doubt
Light & The Glass happens before Crowing.

Get me?
You got any ideas?

[Tac]

i'm leaning towards "TLATG happens before The Crowing"

just listened to them in the proposed order, and it sounds pretty fitting.

[Yakana]

OH wow!
I just noticed that now that you mentioned it.
I'd never thought of that!
I think it really is some sort of time switch..maybe TLATG happened during Three Evils?

Edit: And, Favor house atlantic can't happen before the crowing because That would rend TVC I, II, and III useless.

[joeythemagic]

Okay, okay. Weve all got it sussed that In Keeping Secrets, Cut In The March and Three Evils are not Claudio; they happen in his sleep, but he is dreaming. Everyones also got in mind that Claudio wakes up to Ambellina in The Crowing.
Weve gotta bear this in mind

[t3i3mespeed06]

exelent discovery!!!!!

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Originally Posted by joeythemagic

Okay, okay. Weve all got it sussed that In Keeping Secrets, Cut In The March and Three Evils are not Claudio; they happen in his sleep, but he is dreaming. Everyones also got in mind that Claudio wakes up to Ambellina in The Crowing.
Weve gotta bear this in mind

Good point. Which means that...TLATG could be linked to Neverender and Junesong Provision. It does sound like a similar idea behind it.

Interesting...

[Eight Speed]

I was under the impression that Claudio, with or without Ambellina, finds a broken Sizer during three evils. Who else would "fix him, restore him?"

[Longcindia]

Originally Posted by Eight Speed

I was under the impression that Claudio, with or without Ambellina, finds a broken Sizer during three evils. Who else would "fix him, restore him?"

I'm pretty sure that was Chase and them during Claudio's dreams.

Meh, open to interp.

[joeythemagic]

Hmmm, well that means The Crowing is the introduction Ambellina and that Claudio is the Crowing. If The Light And The Glass is between Claudio & Newo, then because this now becomes before The Crowing, Newo is definatly on the Volerium Camper with Claudio and co.

[Longcindia]

Originally Posted by joeythemagic

Hmmm, well that means The Crowing is the introduction Ambellina and that Claudio is the Crowing. If The Light And The Glass is between Claudio & Newo, then because this now becomes before The Crowing, Newo is definatly on the Volerium Camper with Claudio and co.

How is that definite? Cause he never even told her he left, why would she be there?

[derek224]

i am definitely down for the fact that three evils is about Claudio and Sizer.

i am NOT down for the fact that Newo is on the VC. I think that is kinda silly because they parted ways long ago, no reason for her to be there.

And I always took that reversed sound at the end of AFHA also as a time reversal, but i have a different theory about it. I think Favor House happens before VC 3, as Al dies in the end of VC 3 quite clearly (bye bye world). And if he also is the "good eye sniper" in Favor House, he must certainly be alive for such an event.

[dark_link13]

hmm instinct?

nice discovery by the way.

[Longcindia]

Originally Posted by derek224

i am definitely down for the fact that three evils is about Claudio and Sizer.

i am NOT down for the fact that Newo is on the VC. I think that is kinda silly because they parted ways long ago, no reason for her to be there.

And I always took that reversed sound at the end of AFHA also as a time reversal, but i have a different theory about it. I think Favor House happens before VC 3, as Al dies in the end of VC 3 quite clearly (bye bye world). And if he also is the "good eye sniper" in Favor House, he must certainly be alive for such an event.

Sanchez said that The VC were insights to Al's character, and I take the Bye Bye world" part to mean he made his decision to ram into HA and then Favor House being where it all happens.

[Eight Speed]

I guess there's a question regarding the VC/CV's about wheather or not there's a subplot, involving Al and some other girl (aboard the Conneticut? I've seen interpretations with Newo or Ambellina), or if they are just describing Al.

[Longcindia]

Originally Posted by Eight Speed

I guess there's a question regarding the VC/CV's about wheather or not there's a subplot, involving Al and some other girl (aboard the Conneticut? I've seen interpretations with Newo or Ambellina), or if they are just describing Al.

There is also the possibility that it is both, and that while they are aboard the ship reader's get insight to Al's character based on his actions and whatnot.

I've also seen those interps and prefer to stick with the Ambellina one, it just makes more sense to me in the long run *shrug*

[Eight Speed]

I like to believe Backend of Forever is about, partly, his unrequited love for the female captain/crewmember of the Connecticut, from the whole "over and out, Conneticut" and "I have no luck with girls" part of the chorus.

[dark_link13]

oh yeah, I forgot about that lyric.
But the Ambellina idea does make more sense. And I do doubt Newo was there.

[joeythemagic]

Hmmm, i dont think the CV trilogy happens after AFHA:
- How would Claudio and whoever he is with get there
- Claudio Sanchez has stated that Claudio and the crew use the CV to get to House Atlantic, so obviously, chronologically, AFHA comes after the VCs.

By this, methinks that TLATG is in the wrong place - on purpose. Dont hink these are my difinitive answers, just ideas now, maybe we could expand on them;
- Newo waked Claudio up from his sleep (dont kill me for this LOL, just an idea)
- TLATG is Newo writing to Claudio. The light could be their relationship ("You left the light on"), the glass could be thinks seperating them. Claudio replies a little bit to this in The Crowing (i would like some expansion on this)
- TLATG is actually Newo writing to claudio (again) in his sleep. During the 10 years of his sleep. This is helped because even thought its about Claudio, its before the Crowing, which is when his mission really starts.

I Dunno, they were better when i was thinking of them.

[derek224]

but you gotta figure its Claudio writing to Newo, because how could she know where he is after 10 years with out a word?

[joeythemagic]

TBH, thats what i also think.
Im just spawning of major theories, really
Maybe shes imagining she talking to him? (crazy fooool)

[Matt-Kilgannon]

I think at the end of TLATG Claudio K. could be talking to Apollo....
In the lyrics, "If you’d get put to sleep, like an old dog you’re better off"
and then in the lyric book it says, "My Dearest Apollo, I'll be burning Star IV"

[ShaggyTheShaman]

While it is an interesting observation, I don't think it implies anything about the chronological order of the story. I mean, "Apollo II" has a "Blood Red Summer" throwback in it; does that mean it happens before "Blood Red Summer"?

[Striding Walrus]

Originally Posted by derek224

And I always took that reversed sound at the end of AFHA also as a time reversal, but i have a different theory about it. I think Favor House happens before VC 3, as Al dies in the end of VC 3 quite clearly (bye bye world). And if he also is the "good eye sniper" in Favor House, he must certainly be alive for such an event.

I knew it! you guys were taking the "bye bye world" part so literally! I don't believe Al EVER died in IKS just parted ways. Why? because, have you ever been so dissapointed you wanted to die? well I think that's what Al's feeling here, I don't think he's really dying here.

[c_eversol]

no i dont think al dies either...i think he makes a return in NWFT

[Striding Walrus]

Yeah, now about the time switch, I think that if anything, everything post-The Crowing is in the right order, well, I mean, that is except for The Light and the Glass, maybe your right about it fitting into the place in between (or before) 3 Evils and The Crowing, which, while I'm on the topic what's up with those noises? those screams appear in a good number of other songs so it must be significant. But what exactly is going on in this little segment? I always pictured it as Claudio waking up from his 10 year nap. Anyways, I'm pretty sure that the VC series is not after AFHA, cuz after all how did Claudio and the gang get to the House Atlantic? hmm... Al and his Velorium Camper.

[ShaggyTheShaman]

I think Al dies, but not because of the "Bye Bye World" thing... I always saw that more as from Al's point of view, directed at the white girls he's killing.

As far as the timeline, it's probably not as linear as it seems expected to be. Just look at Second Stage.

[MCStevepants]

I think TLATG is more of a reflective piece of Claudio's old life, and it's not happening at a specific point in time.

[mon2112star]

Originally Posted by MCStevepants

I think TLATG is more of a reflective piece of Claudio's old life, and it's not happening at a specific point in time.

Bingo!

I think that Claudio is simply jotting things down on paper as a means to sort out his thoughts and try to wrap his head around what he has to do now. I know I have done things like this. It's easier to see everything and make sense of it when it is all layed out in front of you. It may seem jumbled at first, but everything will fall into place where it should. I also believe that TLATG takes place during his term with Jesse on his ship. It's placement on the CD, I believe, has nothing to do with when it happens. It seems that he is writing things down in a journal before he goes to sleep each night.

I mean, look at it. He's been out for 10 years and then is thrust into the role of The Crowing. He knows now what he has to do, but doesn't understand it. In fact, he doesn't truely understand it until NWFT. Hence the recurring theme of "What did I do to deserve all of this/you?" It happens in every album afterwards.

That just my .02

[tehpaulster]

Don't kill me for this, but here's my interpretation of the whole problem presented as it stands now on IKS:

A Favor House Atlantic: Chronologically, if follows CV and that whole subplot. The CV subplot happens on the way to House Atlantic, because Al the Killer was supposed to bring Claudio to Ryan. But in CV III, Al has a change of heart, and decides that he's going to let Claudio and whoever he's with get away, but distracts Ryan by flying his ship into House Atlantic. Whoever Claudio is with, whether it be Newo or Ambellina, Al falls in love with them, and therefore has trouble making the decision to kill them, and ultimately doesn't somewhere in CV subplot. But "Bye bye beautiful, don't bother to write" means that he knows what he has to do, and so Al will probably never see them again or die in the process.

The Light and the Glass: It's like a set up piece. It might be out of place, and fit somewhere better, but to me, it's placement is deliberate, because it's focusing on the past and the key points of the past in Newo, Coheed, and Cambria, because they'll all play relevant in the future for some reason. I think that at the end of writing it Claudio S. knew he was going to have to step outside his universe to explain some things, and that's what Good Apollo 1 was, and this is a segue piece in between the actual story and what is about to come in the world of Coheed and Cambria.

I can't be too sure because I have yet to get my hands on a copy of the Good Apollo I graphic novel, and so it might be bridged a little better as soon as I can only read it!

[mon2112star]

Originally Posted by tehpaulster

Don't kill me for this, but here's my interpretation of the whole problem presented as it stands now on IKS:

A Favor House Atlantic: Chronologically, if follows CV and that whole subplot. The CV subplot happens on the way to House Atlantic, because Al the Killer was supposed to bring Claudio to Ryan. But in CV III, Al has a change of heart, and decides that he's going to let Claudio and whoever he's with get away, but distracts Ryan by flying his ship into House Atlantic. Whoever Claudio is with, whether it be Newo or Ambellina, Al falls in love with them, and therefore has trouble making the decision to kill them, and ultimately doesn't somewhere in CV subplot. But "Bye bye beautiful, don't bother to write" means that he knows what he has to do, and so Al will probably never see them again or die in the process.

That is what I see too and until a comic, graphic novel, movie, novel or otherwise (feel free to email me anytime, Claudio) proves me wrong...that is what I am sticking with.